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Topic: Animal cruelty, climate change, monoculture...the list goes on.

  1. Peppermintbach
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    25 May 2018 in reply to Ggrand

    Hi Chrissystar and all,

    Grandy: As Birdy said, it must have been heartbreaking for you. You do have to wonder about the fate of the cows...like you, I also hope for the best for them.

    Droughts are hard for everyone. In particular, it’s hard on farmers and it’s hard on animals too. You must feel a sense of loss each time you look in that direction...where you would have previously seen beautiful grazing cows, now you see a deserted paddock.

    Oh, the poor kangaroos. That’s awful. Droughts and climate change often mean animals are wandering further away from from their natural habitat...and accidentally coming closer and closer to human infrastructure and other human-made things. Sadly, it’s a human world that certainly isn’t designed for animals...it’s awful...

    It’s heartbreaking that the farmers are resorting to those measures. Sighs. There are definitely other ways to keep kangaroos off their property that I wish they would explore rather than resorting to “this”....the poor dogs “know”...your dogs understand so no wonder they are frightened...smart little guys.

    🌻birdy: Your vegan baileys and gozleme sounds delicious! I didn’t realise you used coconut milk in it. Yum! I’m assuming by cheese, you mean the use of lots of yeast flakes? I’m just curious lol.

    Sadly I didn’t end up going to the art thing last week. I was having a bit of a meltdown and just wanted to go home that day.

    I’m not numb anymore, I have now “progressed” to feeling just flat and disconnected. Thanks for caring :)

    Oh now, that’s horrible news. You must feel so disheartened by it all. Even the summer months? Geez...that’s terrible. I’ll have to look up Animals Australia and research this a little more. Thanks for sharing it with us...yes, that quote.

    Yes, the cumulative effect shouldn’t be underestimated. Of course, more people on board means a bigger overall effect but a small group is still an important start :)

    As a loosely related aside. I’m glad you found Unbeliever’s thread. It was a funny coincidence because as I was reading his or her latest posts yesterday, I thought in my head, “birdy will love this!” Then only several minutes before I posted my reply, there you were on his or her thread! Lol!

    Love and light,

    Pepper xoxo

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    25 May 2018 in reply to Peppermintbach

    Hi ChrissyStar, Pepper, Grandy and all 😊,

    Chrissystar i hope you don't mind me camping out here 😉

    Pepper, yes you read my mind about Unbelievers thread! Pretty much all s/he's said (in my mind it's a he) is what's in my heart and mind, but just a jumble in my case ... such clarity of articulation by Unbeliever. It's good to read 😊.

    Yes, when I say "cheeze" I mean vegan cheese. For the gozlemes I roll out a thin disc of dough (similar to pizza dough), on one half I put grated vegan cheeze (e.g. "biocheese" or "sheese", both available from a lot of mainstream supermarkets), (i generally say "cheeze" so it's differentiated from dairy cheese) ... chopped baby spinach, drizzle Olive oil, salt&Pepper, then a generous sprinkle of "nooch" (nutritional flakes, just getting you in on the lingo!), then fold over the dough to make a semi-circular pouch and pop in a hot pan of olive oil, flip it and take out when a little brown. Cut into say 4 pieces. Serve with lemon wedges to squeeze over. Y U M.

    Haha, this reminded me of a meme I've seen where someone is complaining: people get annoyed at me when I say "vegan-icecream" vegan yoghurt or "vegan-cheeze", they say "we know you're vegan, you don't have to tell us every five minutes". But when I say i used "ice-cream" or "yoghurt" or "cheese" everyone is all like "I thought you were vegan!!!" I can relate to that 😅

    You will love the vegan Baileys, but if you look it up online, I halve the amount of coconut milk in proportion to the other ingredients. But I like it strong 😉.

    Everyone, there are lots of online actions we can all do on the Animals Australia website, even if all you can manage is to click, they will send emails for you. They do excellent work. And I'm picky.

    This relates to Unbeliever's thread as well, that one of the biggest problems with our planet is that we all think that somebody else will fix it. I thought this too, and especially when i started to research the dairy, egg and meat industry, I thought, "somebody should do something!" Then I realised: I am somebody! And I can do something!

    Love and light all.

    Keep shining your awesome light for all to see.

    🌻birdy

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    25 May 2018 in reply to Birdy77

    Sorry for the double post Chrissystar,

    I feel bad because I meant to say to you Pepper that I'm sorry to hear you had a meltdown on the weekend, but you know what, it's good (in my opinion) that you took yourself home. You did what you needed to do to take care of yourself.

    So don't feel bad about it. Or I hope you don't.

    We had invites to go to a thing this weekend, but we declined. I feel bad, but it's what I needed to do for my mental wellbeing ... so I am going to try take my own advice.

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  4. Unbeliever
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    25 May 2018 in reply to Birdy77

    Just to confirm...

    I am a "he".

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    25 May 2018 in reply to Unbeliever

    Haha 😅

    Thanks Unbeliever.

    Confirmed 👍

    🌻birdy

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    26 May 2018 in reply to Birdy77

    Hi Chrissystar and all,

    Chrissystar: I hope you’re okay. No need to respond if you’re not feeling up to it but naturally you’re always welcome to chime in any time :)

    birdy: Yes, I agree :) Sorry, I knew that you meant vegan cheese. It was clumsy and rushed wording on my part. I was just curious about what you used. Thanks for sharing!

    Halving the coconut milk sounds great. Strong is good in my opinion. Lol.

    I will definitely check out Animals Australia. Thanks again...and true, true, we are all “somebodies” with individual power to act.

    As you know, I have been reading Per Espen Stoknes’ When we try not to think about global warming: towards a new psychology of climate action. He makes some really interesting comments about the psychology of resistance, denial and apathy when it comes to climate change. I’m yet to finish reading it but maybe I’ll share my thoughts when I’m done :) Highly recommend it so far!

    Unbeliever: delighted to see you here :)

    Pepper xoxo

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    29 May 2018 in reply to Peppermintbach

    Hi ChrissyStar and all 😊

    Pepper:

    i am so sorry, I knew you were asking about the cheeze because you're interested, and I'm so pleased that you are (I did not mean anything else by it, I just found the meme funny, not that it had anything to do with what you said, at all). It's good to share brands and info that reduces animal suffering, so yes I would recommend 'biocheese' and 'sheese' brands. They are really good.

    After you sent that post, my partner came home soo excited because she had found some vegan brie at our local supermarket! We live out of the city, so it's kinda exciting and I thought, oooh, can't wait to tell Pepper and the gang on this thread! So we cracked open a bottle of wine and some crackers and had to sample it straight away. It's pretty good, brand name 'damona'. Products are getting better and better.

    Offering you a big hug today Peps, and anyone else who needs one. Read you're in a hurting place, wasn't sure about posting on your thread or not? ... this is where we usually meet ... over here on the eco'friendly rescue farm 🐄🐮🐴🐶 Take gentle care of yourself, and if there are people in your life who are toxic ... flush them out my friend.

    Wishing a day full of kindness and compassion to all.

    🌻birdy

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    30 May 2018 in reply to Birdy77

    Hi Chrissystar and all,

    Chrissystar: Sending you my well wishes as the lovely thread creator.

    All: please feel free to join in at any time. All welcome :)

    birdy: please don’t even worry about it. There is seriously nothing to apologise for. It’s okay :)

    I was just worried that I had accidentally upset you so thank you kindly for your post. Yes, that would have been a pretty funny meme. Thanks for sharing...

    It’s wonderful about the vegan Brie cheese. What a wonderful find so well done to your partner! I love how you were so excited to tell us. Your excitement made me smile...

    Thank you for your beautiful and caring post earlier (the one about my meltdown). It meant a lot...I hope you managed to get some rest last weekend. It sounds like you needed to have the weekend to yourself so it’s just as well that you declined For some much needed self care.

    Oh thank you, I’ll gratefully accept the hug and offer one to you too (plus to anyone else who would like one). As for posting, that’s entirely up to you whether you post here or on my thread. I’m happy either way.

    I feel it just depends on where you feel most comfortable posting; I don’t mind :) But you’re very considerate and thoughtful to ask for my opinion...thank you,

    Yes, rough time lately. Sighs, this has essentially translated to more alcohol (never claimed to be a role model or good example by any means. Definitely not).

    Been questioning a lot of things (this is separate to my other/usual struggles). Trying to figure out what makes me “tick.” There’s a world of difference between passion and caring in my opinion. I care about a lot of things but I’m passionate about far fewer; I’m trying to differentiate between the 2...

    It’s always good to hear from you :)

    Pepper xoxo

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    birdy, sorry, I forgot to add, I was reading a little of the vegan strategist (the site you recommended earlier).

    I was reading an article about the pros and cons of buying the McDonalds vegan burger in Finland. Obviously the author had some of his own thoughts but I felt he still tried to present a well rounded argument for both the pro and con side. I liked his comment on “doing good” for the “wrong reasons” (or something like that).

    What he meant was some people were criticising Maccas for introducing the McVegan burger for monetary gain. But he asked whether it really matters because if it spares some animals, does it really matter about the intention? An animal doesn’t care if the intention was profit/PR stunt or genuine caring for his/her wellbeing...

    He just seemed very practical/realistic about the whole situation. I liked his mentality to collaborate rather than to clash with large corporations.

    pepper xoxo

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    30 May 2018 in reply to Peppermintbach

    Dear Chrissystar and all 🌞

    Chrissystar, really hope you are well and growing lots of goodies and keeping well mentally. As you can see, there are grateful people out here that love this thread you created.

    Pepper, that is so cool that you have started a squiz at the Vegan Strategist (I'm sure that others here would find some interesting concepts in his writings)! What I love about his whole approach is that he's not being hard-core for the sake of being hard-core ... he cares deeply about animals and the planet, and thinks slowly and meticulously about the best way to do the most good, not just going on a hard-core activist rampage of passion.

    There was a recent situation in which a popular vegan cheese brand was taken over by a much larger corporation that also owned numerous other brands which were not vegan or ethically inclined. There was some backlash from those who believed this brand had "sold out" to the big corporation. But there's another perspective, that he pointed out in his trademark balanced way, that it can be seen as a positive step for the little-known vegan brand to nowbe under the banner of a big company because it can now be marketed to so many more people who might never have been exposed to it had it stayed as this small, obscure, local product.

    Sometimes these things that on the surface seem negative (e.g. being taken over by a global company is something I would usually shudder at) ... but i like the way we can be encouraged to think about things differently, and the bottom line should always be, if less damage is being done to animals and the earth ... it is positive in the long run.

    I have made a fresh brew of vegan baileys for everybody here, which sounds like it would be welcomed by you this evening Pepper. I'm sorry you're in a hurting place ... I hope you don't have toxic people around you. You are a very caring soul, and I hear you about finding your passion ... there's no hurry. Keep caring. Keep enquiring and being inquisitive and interested and engaged in your world. It will come to you. And if not, you're a beautiful person anyway with a big heart, that's enough.

    Keep caring everyone. We can make the world a better, kinder place.

    🌻birdy

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  11. Unbeliever
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    31 May 2018 in reply to ChrissyStar
    ChrissyStar (in response to your original post),

    I was 8 years old when I realised that it would be a selfish act to have children in this world and that I wouldn't have any.... that was in 1985. Although my motivation was more based in that the world was already struggling to feed the people it already had on it (All those ads of starving children in Africa haunted me as a kid) and on top of that being seemingly incapable of preventing ourselves from sending other species to their extinction through basic stupidity.

    In fact, before this I had always considered that "adults" despite making mistakes and obviously being imperfect... still overall were full of great wisdom, knowledge and had a grand plan that I simply didn't understand yet because I was still just a "stupid" kid. So this ended up being the point in my life that I realised that adults couldn't possibly know what the hell they were doing and their additional age and experience amounted to very little. My illusions about them had already been shattered.

    Unsurprisingly, after this I became accused of not respecting "my elders" or not having "respect for authority" far too often in the proceeding 10 years of my life (by teachers, friends parents, general adults etc). But this made sense to me, age alone did not command respect, it was only the things a person did and the way they thought that earned "respect"... not just the "number of revolutions around our nearest star" (explaining this to adults of course did not exactly go down too well).

    So by 8 years old it already seemed uttely obvious to me that if we as a species couldn't even manage to feed the children we already had, then anyone who ever felt desperate enough to want kids that adoption was obviously the only moral choice... anything else was pretty much too selfish for words (which as you can imagine has never exactly gone down very well with women I have had relationships with so far).

    With regard to your comment about "the world". In early "teenagehood" I realised that my "hell" was not pits of fire and demons with pitchforks... it was being forced to be a member of a collectively apathetic (and quite stupid) species obliviously marching in its army of billions towards the destruction of not only itself, but almost everything else along with it.

    So I have been embarrassed and ashamed to be human for almost as long as I can remember.

    ... basically, yes I can relate to your initial post.
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    1 June 2018 in reply to Birdy77

    Hi Chrissystar and all,

    All: thoughts and concerns about animal cruelty, climate change, monoculture, etc (as per the thread title) is most welcome :)

    Chrissystar: I hope you, the thread creator, is doing okay. No pressure but if you feel like it, jump in any time :)

    birdy: Thanks, I’ve been slowly getting through The Vegan’s Stategists posts :) Yes, I completely agree that his deep and thoughtful (and very pragmatic) caring comes across loud and clear.

    Yes, I liked the example you used. I’m with you that sometimes we have to take a step back from our initial reaction/emotional response, and research or think about the topic more before jumping to any one conclusion.

    For all the flak they cop, and even if much of it is often justified, large corporations do have a lot of power to influence business trends and consumer demand. So, as you said, a small vegan cheese company being taken over by a large corporation isn’t always a bad thing.

    In addition to their greater marketing and distribution power, it might also prompt other large corporations to also start introducing more vegan products too. So there’s a potential for a domino effect...

    I found his comments about taking the vegan argument away from the “ethics” side and reframing it more along the lines of “plant based” might make more people open to it. He said meat eaters tend to be more open to the idea of upping their non-meat intake when it was framed differently. Really thought provoking stuff...

    I’m all for a more collaborative approach too when it comes to climate change, animal cruelty, etc. I can only speak for myself but even before I read The Vegam Strategist, I feel extreme moral indignation or self righteous behaviour can be unhelpful in the long run.

    Yes, there can be a place for it but I also feel it often makes people stop listening and emotionally shut down or even become extremely defensive. For example, certain methods used by well meaning animal rights activists makes me think “okay, I know you mean well but are you sure that’s the wisest approach?”

    Your last paragraph really made me smile. Thank you for the beautiful words of support and encouragement. Your compassion and kindness are 2 of your strengths :)

    Unbeliever: As always, I find it interesting and thought provoking to read your contributions. Hopefully Chrissystar is reading and maybe she’ll even reply :)

    Pepper xoxo

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  13. Unbeliever
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    1 June 2018 in reply to Peppermintbach
    In regards to "Climate Change". I have become tired of all sides of this argument. It just makes me angry now.

    This "debate" has already been lost because people on both sides (both anti and pro) exagerrated their facts over 10+ years and have completely sabotaged any chances of either side ever listening to "the other side" about anything (regardless of the quality of evidence) ever again.

    This has resulted in people who could be standing on this planet while it is on fire and screaming "it's not climate change" because the environmentalist movement played it's hand too hard (making many mistakes) trying to get people to act "sooner rather than later"... and as a result got caught out exagerrating certain facts. This made a massive percentage of people worldwide think that... "if they needed to lie about X, therefore it ALL must be bullsh*t".

    Now those people can literally never be swayed or convinced even to listen ever again. They have been made permenantly "anti".

    This is the price of lying by exaggeration and certain organisations on both sides should be ashamed of themselves. Their lies have screwed us all, because now the percentage of the population needed to make the change cannot happen within the time left to do it.

    So now the debate has to shift away from "climate change" to get those stubborn people to shift towards new methodologies and technologies... because if they try to stick to the same arguement, action will never be taken in time for things to not get worse than they are already going to be. Unfortunately, It is far too late already to "stop" it, but any action taken soon will reduce at least some of the damage. But, the "climate change" argument has to stop as soon as possible in order to get the numbers needed for change.

    We need to refocus attention to promote new technologies and methodologies (that just happen to "Planet Friendly") as the latest and greatest modern "must own" tech and the obvious choice... and describe all other "Earth Damaging" technology and methodology as "archaic" and embarrassingly ancient for any so-called "advanced" civilisation.

    This is our best chance to subvertly achieve the same required goals, and of converting the people needed to make change ASAP who will not be convinced by any "climate change" argument.

    The climate debate has converted as many people as it is going to, it's already hit its potential limit.

    The strategy needs to evolve otherwise any actions will come far too late.
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    Hi Unbeliever (a wave to Chrissystar),

    Good to hear from you :) I get what you mean by finding new and perhaps more practical strategies and agree that’s hugely important. I personally have little interest on pursuing things from a hardcore “moral”/“ethical” angle either... my the main belief is to do what works...

    Yes, promote eco friendly new technology as “planet friendly” (as you suggested), call vegan dishes “plant based” if it means more people will be willing to try them at restaurants, continue marketing and “selling” being “green” as “trendy” and “cool” if it means people are more likely to do a bit more to help the environment, etc, etc.

    I feel to make the most out of this that it’s helpful to understand what drives and motivates people in terms of their behaviour. Is it status that drives a particular purchasing pattern? Is a certain behaviour really about convenience? Is it about affordability?Is it about a deeply ingrained cultural practice? Is it a habit? Etc, etc...

    Then use that understanding of people to inform innovation (e.g. little point creating a super eco friendly device if it’s completely unaffordable to most of your target group...back to the drawing board lol) as well as help influence purchasing (and other) behaviours...

    Thanks Unbeliever :) So yes to a pragmatic and innovative approach as far as I’m concerned. Feel free to let me know if I’ve misinterpreted or misunderstood anything in your post. I have to go now...talk later.

    Pepper

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    1 June 2018 in reply to Peppermintbach

    Yes, pretty much. Very close.

    Except, I don't even think that selling new tech should even necessarily have the "eco-friendly" tag as its main selling point (inherantly most groundbreaking new tech currently is more environmentally friendly anyway... more efficient, using new fuel types, designed to be "future" upgraded rather than just replaced, self charging etc).

    I think that simply pushing the idea of the newest, the latest, the most recent example of modern ingenuity and that old tech is outdated, primitive, archaic and even kind of pathetic and laughable by modern standards... is far more "sellable" to those who don't really care about the environment. As it is those people that it is the most important to get on board at this point.

    Nowadays, there are people who will line up for days just to be "the first" to get the latest gadget (even though their "1 year old version" still works perfectly fine). For these people the concept of things like sustainability or reducing wastefulness just doesn't exist... and ironically it is these people that it is most important to make a large movement happen.

    Even the less fanatical about "owning the latest" proudly love to show off that they own a brand spanking new technology to others. This vanity can be exploited to get support from people who otherwise never would join an environmental movement.

    Basically, the climate change debate is dead. People will endlessly "bark" at each other over the internet for the next 10 years and nothing will change. The damage that will result from 10 years of additional time wasting will be devastating.

    New tactics need to be employed now, today, yesterday. And if too large a percentage of people can't be convinced to do the right things for the right reasons, then those peoples weaknesses need to be manipulated to inadvertently do the right thing.

    I don't see a better option anymore.

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    Hi Chrissystar and all,

    Unbeliever: Thanks :) I just re-read what you wrote and realised I had misread. Sorry, it sometimes happens when I’m in a rush. Thanks so much for picking up on it and clarifying.

    Absolutely yes, there is considerable resistance and I agree with you that some people will, no matter what research is presented, insist that climate change is a myth. Granted, that’s not the group that I am most interested in...

    I feel there are people who do believe in climate change but they lack adequate motivation to make any personal changes in their behaviour/consumption patterns despite having concerns. This is the group that has enormous power....

    A simple and very common example is people saying ” I should probably stop using takeaway cups and buy my own (reusable) cup” or “I keep forgetting to bring my (reusable) cup” as they line up to buy coffee.

    What I’m trying to say is I feel it’s not that (some) people necessarily don’t believe or don’t care about certain environmental issues. But sometimes it’s not enough...good intentions don’t always result in action. I suppose this is where innovation plus changing the shopping environment to make the eco friendly choice the more convenient and easier option (convenience shouldn’t be underestimated) can help.

    I feel it helps to remember that sometimes certain behavioural changes precede value changes. What starts off as a change for health/convenience/other reasons can sometimes evolve into a change in values.

    To use a personal example. As a vegetarian myself, I see this happen...some people become vegetarians initially for spiritual, religious or health reasons but later remain vegetarians or even become vegan to help animals (i.e. values have changed).

    Of course I know that example is not the same as tackling climate change at a broader societal level. But what I’m saying is beliefs/thoughts can shift over time...it won’t be easy or overnight of course.

    I feel it’s helpful to make people feel empowered, and to mostly avoid using guilt tripping tactics or be really pushy when trying to encourage people to change. I think most people (understandably) don’t respond well to being made to feel “bad.” Also I think it helps to celebrate any small changes that people make, and to encourage them to continue making more small changes...

    In short, I am all for an innovative, pragmatic, strategic and encouraging/understanding approach :)

    I would be interested to hear what you/others think?

    Pepper

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    4 June 2018 in reply to Peppermintbach

    Hi Chrissystar and all,

    I am reading and nodding Unbeliever and Pepper. I am experiencing a bit of brain fog at the moment, but I really appreciate reading both your posts, both of you.

    I was completely dismayed this morning to read of a pilot whale passing away after trying to be helped off the coast of Thailand, vomited 5 plastic bags before dying, and they found 80 more plastic bags in his stomach. Because humans enjoy the convenience of plastic bags ...

    I will join in again when the fog lifts a little.

    🌻birdy

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    Hi Chrissystar and all,

    Chrissystar: Sending my warm thoughts your way. Hope our lovely thread creator is doing okay :)

    birdy: are you okay? You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to but I’m just worried about the brain fog that you mentioned. You know that you can always talk to us if you want to...

    That is very tragic. Poor whale...plastic is dangerous to so many animals. Heartbreaking....

    Love and light,

    Pepper xoxo

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    7 June 2018 in reply to Peppermintbach

    Thanks Pepper,

    I have been down in the hole!!! .... thank you for your care and concern, I will be ok. Hope you are ok xo and everyone else here ... will return shortly I hope 😊

    🌻birdy

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    8 June 2018 in reply to Birdy77

    Hi lovely Birdy (and a wave to Chrissy star and all),

    I was relieved to hear from you as I was starting to get worried. That being said, take all the time you need to rest and look after yourself. No rush to reply...only when you’re good and ready. Take your time...

    Many hugs,

    Pepper xoxo

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    Dear everyone 😊

    I have been down a bit of a rabbit hole this month, and I know some others of you have struggled and are struggling too, so I thought I'd share some positive things here that you might like to look at or try. No animals were harmed in the writing of this post 😁

    • There are two brands of cruelty free food I discovered this month, they include absolutely delicious plant-based nutrient-dense soft cheeses, dips and pesto: "The Vegan Dairy" and "botanica cuisine". These products are all hand made in Australia, Mount Martha and Collingwood to be precise, so are doubly awesome because they don't entail a squillion food miles.
    • I found a new blog called rabbitandwolves full of plant based comfort food , something to enrich the long dark nights of the winter months.
    • One of the biggest live sheep exporters in Australia, responsible for almost a third of live sheep exports here has backed out of it's contract to send thousands of these gentle souls into the middle eastern summer (now) ... it is a small step in shutting down this barbaric practice, and proof that pressure from people who care enough to speak out can effect change (even if it's small change). Keep signing petitions even if that's all you can do, they do work.
    • There is a great blog by a guy called Leo Babauta, he writes about all sorts of things to improve your life and mental/spiritual equilibrium. It's called zenhabits and I find getting a newsletter from him each week by email a really inspiring way to be reminded of simple, achievable things to help get/Keep things in balance. I mention it here because I know all here have a love and respect for animals and our poor suffering planet, and he does too.

    I borrowed the sequel to An Inconvenient Truth DVD from the library this week, it looks interesting, will let you all know.

    Sorry if this was boring, but I wanted to share these things to encourage and support you all. And I've missed being in here so wanted an excuse to post😊

    Keep the love alive everyone ❤

    🌻birdy

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    Hi wonderful birdy, Chrissystar and all :)

    It’s wonderful to hear from you again ❤️ I know you have been having a rough time so it means that much more than you’re posting. If you ever want to talk or vent, I’m always here for you (you’re always most welcome to vent, talk, etc on my thread)...

    Now, this bit:

    No animals were harmed in the writing of this post.

    Love it! That line gave me a chuckle :)

    Thank you so much for sharing. Honestly, it was not “boring” at all. I found it uplifting and inspiring. Really happy you shared some of your recent “discoveries” :)

    I’ll definitely look up some of the things that you mentioned. I don’t know what I’ve been doing with my life but is it embarrassing to admit that I didn’t know there was a sequel to An Inconvenient Truth? lol. I thought it was just the one and that was it.

    Also, fun fact. I’ve long forgotten the company name but about 3-4 weeks ago, a UK coffee chain banned disposable coffee cups from all its franchises :) I thought that I would share that with you lovely people...

    Hugs to you birdy xoxo

    A friendly wave to all :)

    Pepper

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    5 July 2018 in reply to Birdy77

    Hi birdy (and a wave to Chrissystar and all),

    Sorry, I wasn’t sure where to reach you as I know you don’t have your own support thread so I thought that I would try here...hope that’s okay.

    I just wanted to say hello and send you my love. I know you’ve been struggling for some time, and it’s okay, you don’t have to say anything or elaborate or explain. I’m just saying that I care...

    Also, a huge thank you for the beautiful post you wrote on my thread. It really moved me.

    I have read it multiple times and it made me cry...because you offered to “sit with me” in my pain.

    Not many people do that. Sometimes we don’t need to be “fixed” and we don’t need “solutions”...sometimes we just need someone to be there...to be emotionally attuned.

    So thank you. I’m here for you too...that said, no need to talk if you’re not feeling up to it.

    A wave to all...keep up your wonderful love of animals and the environment :)

    Pepper xoxo

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    5 July 2018 in reply to Peppermintbach

    Hello lovely Pepper and everybody 😊

    It's so lovely to get your message 😍

    Thank you so much for your love and care, it is gratefully accepted and cherished. I hope you are feeling ok, and it warmed my heart to know my offer to sit in the dark with you while you're not able to look on the bright side meant something to you ❤ I meant it.

    Ha! I also had no idea there was a sequel to An Inconvenient Truth until it jumped off the library shelf into my arms! I would recommend this DVD to everybody here as I know you all are passionate about our beautiful and vulnerable planet. It basically outlines what has happened in the 10+ years since An Inconvenient Truth came out (where did that decade go???). It was really inspiring to see the passion, dedication and integrity of Al Gore and his team, and i was amazed at how much work he put in behind the scenes to negotiate and pretty much facilitate the Paris Agreement ... only for a certain new president to come and implode the whole thing. Highly recommended viewing.

    Another film I borrowed is called Blue (the film). Absolitel essential viewing my friends. It is Australian and was made last year I think. It's a thoughtful, insightful, heartwrenching exploration of what is going on with life in our oceans. It is beautifully made and equal parts devastating and inspiring. Hope some of you are able to watch it and get others to watch it. Also there is a website for it bluethefilm.org

    I have just made unbelievably scrummy burgers made with a new product called "Minced" by a new plant based company called Funky Fields. It's in the meat section (😱😳😱😳😱😳) at woolies. You can make cruelty free burgers, Bolognese, chilli con carne, lasagne ... yippee!! Their motto is "There is no planet B". True that!

    Thanks Pepper ❤ and everybody ... keep the love alive.

    🌻birdy

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    Hi ChrissyStar and all;

    ChrissyStar and all: please feel free to chime in whenever you like :)

    birdy: you’re most welcome. If anything, I should be thanking you for your beautiful posts to me (not the other way around lol).

    Speaking of which, there’s no rush, but when you have a bit of time , you might like to check out A bouquet of pearls- share your appreciation for other members thread (Staying Well forum) as there’s something for you there from the 7th July there :)

    Thank you so much for all the documentary recommendations. I’ll have to look up Blue. I have heard of it (and vaguely remember seeing the trailer unless of course I’m confusing it with another film).

    Yes, Al gore’s An Inconvenient Truth really helped put climate change on the public agenda. Sighs, it’s sad how climate change has become so political...

    Your plant based mince sounds like quite the treat :) In a way, I feel it’s a not entirely a bad thing that they placed it in the meat section. It means more people who might not otherwise have heard of it (or considered it) might at least have their curiosity piqued, and might want to try it one day...or I think that’s what the Vegan Strategist said when he was commenting on plant product placement in supermarkets. What are your thoughts on this?

    Hugs to you, my friend.

    Wave to all!

    Pepper xoxo

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    9 July 2018 in reply to Peppermintbach

    Hello Pepper ❤ and Chrissystar and all 😊

    Pepper ❤❤❤ you lovely lovely lovely friend. Wish I could hug you 😊 Your heartfelt words moved me deeply. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I truly treasure your friendship and your beautiful presence here.

    Pepper and everyone, I cannot recommend Blue (the film), highly enough ... it is excellent. Would love to know if anyone watches it. I thought I was pretty mindful of things I used, plastic etc, but after watching this film, it has changed my thinking entirely. But in a good way ... it's inspiring .... makes you want to do better, be better ...

    Pepper, I think it is absolutely wonderful that the vegan mince is in the meat section 😂 truly... I realise, looking back at my post that I looked horrified, but only because I had to enter the meat section to retrieve my exciting new product (foreign territory, as you would understand). But it is aimed at meat eaters, not vegetarians or vegans, so it necessarily should be in next to the beef mince etc, and if even one meat eater decides to try it, that's a win. I agree with you and the vegan strategist wholeheartedly 😊.

    I did a shop at The Cruelty Free Shop today (online) and picked up a book Vegan Cooking for Carnivores, it's a NYTimes bestseller, so thought I'd give it a go, I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunity to try the new mince with the recipes in there. Have you ever tried Jackfruit?

    Pepper, I was so happy to read (forgot to say) of your news about the coffee cup ban by the chain in the UK. I was reading last week that loads more people in Australia have started using KeepCups, but that still there's something like 16 million takeaway coffeecups thrown away everyday in oz! And apparently lots if them can't be recycled because their lined with plastic?? 😔😔😔 It has to stop.

    Everyone, keep up being awesome advocates for our beautiful, fragile planet and our gentle animal friends.

    Love and light to you Pepper ❤ and everyone xo

    🌻birdy

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    10 July 2018 in reply to Birdy77

    Hello Birdy and Pepper and all

    I happened on this thread by chance and am so glad to have found it.

    Its so lovely to read your posts - so much passion, compassion, love, caring - I feel quite emotional reading them.

    The sad state of our environment, our world, the pain and suffering caused to animals and people really breaks my heart too. I said on my thread before I wish we lived in a kinder, gentler world.

    I have to get ready to go out (unfortunately to Dr - it’s too cold and I feel lousy) but wanted to touch base quickly and say hi. It’s so good to have contact with people ❤️ who care so much and show their feelings so openly.

    Thank you, Cala 🤗🙏

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    Hi ChrissyStar and all,

    All: feel free to contribute. Join in the conversation whenever you like :)

    birdy : Oh thank you, I felt the hug from way over here ❤️ I’m so glad you found that thread. It was well deserved. Emotional attunement is a real gift and sadly often underrated and overlooked...thank you for being the beautiful friend that you are to so many of us here ❤️

    Hmm...it sounds like I’ll have to get my hands on a copy of Blue. I’m 200% certain that I must have some unknown wasteful habits that I didn’t know about...

    Vegan book for carnivores? That is one intriguing title. I’m guessing lots of plant based meats are used?

    Speaking of cruelty free, my makeup and skincare products still have room for improvement. Most of my makeup and skincare (admittedly not all) is cruelty free. I’m ashamed to admit that...

    I’m trying to use up what I have then find cruelty free alternatives once they’re finished. My issue is I have very sensitive skin and so it can be a bit tricky for me sometimes...

    Yes, apparently about 1 billion disposable coffee cups end up in landfill every year in Australia. The issue with paper based disposable coffee cups is that they need to be waterproof.

    So you’re right, they are lined with polyethylene (plastic) and therefore not recyclable. They’re also not biodegradable either.

    Plus well meaning people with good intentions often don’t realise takeaway coffee cups aren’t usually recyclable so they throw it in recycling bins. This means that they accidentally “contaminate” the rest of the actual recyclables, and the entire bin ends up landfill as a result. I feel, in this instance, clearer labels for recycling bins would help...

    Also, a grateful thank you for the heart warming post you left on my thread. You really are a beautiful person ❤️

    Cala: it’s wonderful to have you on board!

    Hello to you too and I hope your appointment went well. Feel free to chime in whenever you like :)

    I’m happy that this thread has resonated with you. You sound like a very caring and compassionate person; 2 qualities that I value very highly.

    I hope we hear from you again ❤️

    Pepper xoxo

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    12 July 2018 in reply to Peppermintbach

    Hi Chrissystar and everyone 😊😊😊,

    Cala, it is so lovely to see you here. Your wish for a more gentle and kind world is echoed here, so you are in good company. I had a feeling you might find your way here some time ... And you did 😊.

    Pepper, you are absolutely right, I think the labelling on all recyclables should be clearer. I am guilty of having put coffee cups in the recycling bin in the past (I don't use them anymore) ... And it's horrifying for well-meaning people to realise they've contaminated a whole bunch of recyclables. Surely with all the waste organisation these days a better labelling system can be used ...

    You will really get so much out of and be really impressed by Blue. I implore everyone to see it, it's just vert affecting in so many ways.

    So, my Vegan Cooking for Carnivores cookbook arrived this arvo, and it looks yummy scrummy. I didn't see this in the write-up for it, but it's written by the chef to Portia de Rossi and Ellen DeGeneres. But guess who the photographs are by? Quentin Bacon. Can you believe it???? I almost feel like returning it. Haha!!! Just kidding.

    He should change his name though, seriously ...

    I had something I really wanted to share with you all here, but it's completely gone from my brain just at the moment.

    Keep the beautiful gentle love alive lovely people ❤

    🌻birdy

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    12 July 2018 in reply to Birdy77

    Hello Everyone,

    I have heard you mention "Blue" on a few occasions here, I had a look at the trailer, and Birdy it's definitely something I will watch as soon as I can find a copy of it...

    We have a beautiful planet, I'm out in country NSW..and we all just last week got the recycling bins, we only had the one bin before last week..The new bins have moulded into their lids what's to be put in them...

    I get the occasional coffe from a big franchise, I always take my stainless steel coffee cup in the shop with me, and the girls will make my coffee in it... I have 2 coffee cups in the glove box of my car...

    I just needed to Thank you for letting us know about blue...

    Grandy.

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