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Topic: Night Owls (for those awake late and can't sleep)

  1. mmMekitty
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    12 January 2022 in reply to Guest_1643

    Hi Sleepy & Fred,

    Home from hospital, now I can get some sleep, so I am sorry I missed your posts. I was feeling unnaturally tired by 11:15pm, & turned everything off & took myself to bed. I was sleeping when you posted, & only woke a couple times before 5:45am. Then one of my legs was aching & I could not seem to get it comfortable, so I quit trying to sleep half an hour later.

    It sure has been an awful time lately. Just when we thought Delta was bad, & it was in one way, now we have Omicron, which is bad the other, in that it is more infectious, & our governments are responding differently, & to my mind, incompetently.It's as if they are throwing out what little is known & letting us fend for ourselves. I'm glad I already am doing whatever I can to keep myself from being infected, & therefore, not transmitting any kind of COVID-19 to anyone.

    Would that I didn't have to spend a few days in hospital, I would rather have not taken the risk being there posed. Now I am home, & only anticipating outpatient check-up appointments, I feel releived of some of my concerns. I feel, I cannot relax, feeling more keenly aware of people around me, how many people coming into my flat, how they are careful, or not.

    It's hard, putting all of us on edge, at the very least.

    So, Fred,if your anxiety is getting the better of you, & you feel in need of more support, is there someone you know you can talk to? Of-course, you can talk on BB, but we cannot replace having a counsellor or therapist. Happy to keep talking, though. 😸

    You are not alone. Many people are feeling much the same as you.

    Can I also ask, what things do you do to help yourself when you are feeling particularly anxious, specifically during these late/early hours?

    mmMekitty

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  2. Moonstruck
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    17 January 2022 in reply to mmMekitty

    It's about 2am and I read somewhere its better if you get up, change rooms, get a cuppa, or read or whatever...just to break the cycle of lying there wide awake. I think I am wide awake because I love the night hours...I am a different person....I feel "safe" when everyone else is sleeping. just now I am in my office room that also has a tv and even the late night shows are calming me down a bit just playing in the background.

    there is no chance of anyone phoning, or dropping in, or meeting up with neighbours,making small talk. at this hour, I have the world all to myself. I can get a snack, or a drink. It's cool. In a few hours the Qld sun will begin beating down relentlessly and make the whole day uncomfortable.

    I just feel "scared" during the bright sunlight , the harsh glare of day,as if it is revealing all my insecurities,my fears, my pain, my inadequacies. At night, these peaceful, glorious hours where I can go out my door and see a full moon, and a comforting canopy of black endless sky, beautifully adorned with sparkling stars and peace peace peace. A cool breeze that disappears when the sun comes up. I only have a few hours left and my consoling night time will disappear. The yelllowness will blast its spotlight on me throught the curtains and another terrifying day of fear and loneliness begins.

    Yes I love these night hours.

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    17 January 2022 in reply to Moonstruck

    Moon

    what a well written post that can relate.
    I like the stillness of the night, the peace. Daytime has hustle and bustle and pressures me to be social.

    I am a hermit who likes be alone .

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  4. robthomaslover
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    17 January 2022
    i'm around if anyone would like to chat.
  5. mmMekitty
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    18 January 2022 in reply to robthomaslover

    I'm not back to my 'normal' up late irregular routine, so was not awake when you, Robthomaslover, posted.

    I do like the quiet of night, even with my tinnitus. Where I live is not always peaceful, & I feel anxious about the sounds I hear, wanting to identify what, where & why, so I can relax, or I have to have my audiobook playing, but, not so loud as to annoy those noisy neighbours.

    I would love to only hear wildlife, leaves in a gentle breeze, things like that, even distant traffic, though nature sounds are preferred. But even some natural sounds don't sound peaceful.

    mmMekitty

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  6. robthomaslover
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    18 January 2022 in reply to mmMekitty

    sorry for my late reply mmMekitty.

    sorry to hear that. can i please ask where you get the audiobooks from & if you need to pay for them or a membership?

  7. mmMekitty
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    18 January 2022 in reply to robthomaslover

    Hi Robthomaslover,

    The way this place is, I don't think anyone expects immediate responses to most posts. If we are trying to post very close some posts may end up out of sequence, as has sometimes happened in the word game threads. I am also aware that like me, somepeople may take a while to think of what they want to post, It's all okay.

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    I cam download from Vision Australia, as a member & as someone who is blind or vision impaired or as someone who has a disability which makes reading print very difficult.

    Also I have found many audiobooks on YouTube, & many seem to have very few ads, or might show ads each time I re-open the webpage, whish I have kept as a favourite, so it opens at the place where I last stopped reading. Many have no ads at all. Some are uploaded in parts, so I've had to locate part 2, 3 & (if I come across one split too many times, perhaps someone else had uploaded it with fewer parts.

    Or there is your local city council library.

    & if you want to spend money, there are the online places, some of which I'm sure are familiar to you. By subscription or buying books outright.

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    I've had a long day today, so after a snooze, I'm up now, again, to have a late dinner & continue putting away groceries, delivered earlier.

    I've had erratic wake/sleeping non-routine pattern for a long time, since I was a teenager, or maybe even earlier., when it was that I enjoyed being awake after everyone else had gone to sleep, & I'd be listening, sort of feeling the world, I imagined.

    I'm getting older, have physical problems as well as the mental health stuff, & I struggle with being so erratic with my sleep.

    I gather you are okay with being up late? What happens when you do have to be up & about during the day?

    mmMekitty

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    19 January 2022 in reply to mmMekitty

    Hi all

    I have been sleeping in too much....up late..

    I agree it is jmportant not to pressure anyone to reply and to understand ppl reply whenever they can

    Hope the audio books are relaxing. Enjoy and have a beautiful day

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    19 January 2022 in reply to Guest_1643

    Hello Sleepy,

    I've had periods of years where I would sleep it, because I would be up late, & it hadn't been a great problem until I had commitments, appointments, & things to be up early for, & I'd feel terribly rushed & stressed as a result. So, adjusting wake/sleep routine does seem the most practical way to sort this out. Easier said than done, in my experience, but with a great effort, much discipline, I know it can be done.

    So, may I ask, what's been keeping you up late? & what do you think could help with that?

    mmMekitty

  10. Mum Chris
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    19 January 2022 in reply to mmMekitty

    Hi

    I just found this thread. I am not sleeping well and I wake up early too. I’m exhausted and go to sleep but I wake sometimes before midnight but mostly 1:30 to 2:30am and I’m wide awake. I try all my old tricks like relaxation and breathing but nothing is working. I am worse when I have something to do the next day. I go over it in my head and plan and mentally schedule and things I need to say or do and usually don’t get much done because I’m too tired.
    I found relaxation music and affirmations on YouTube and have been putting them on and one earbud in and it does finally help me sleep eventually. I can’t put both earbuds in because my PTSD means I need to be aware of my surroundings. I’m working on feeling safe with a psych doctor but I’m a long way off feeling safe.
    The overwhelming tiredness is making me nauseous and distracted. I always think tonight I will sleep I’m so tired but 1:30am I’m lying in bed trying to not wake my husband.

    MC

  11. robthomaslover
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    19 January 2022 in reply to mmMekitty

    sorry to hear that mmMekitty. i haven't listened to an audiobook. i've listened to a podcast, i suppose it's pretty much the same.

    yeah i have insomnia & i've struggled with that since i was about 12 in 2012, i'm now 22 (23 this year, although i still feel like a teenager) so i'm used to it. plus i can have time to myself & listen to music or watch things.

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  12. Moonstruck
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    20 January 2022 in reply to robthomaslover

    Hello Mum Chris, RobThomasLover.......here I am again. 2.40am...I put on a dvd, In My Shoes with Toni Collette, Cameron Diaz, Shirley MacLaine....a good one if you ever see it anywhere. Dont have any commitments tomorrow morning so shall try and catch up on some rest as the sun comes up. My cat won't let me sleep past the usual time.......he's been "a reason for getting up in the morning" literally.....I got him year before last a couple of months after my partner died.....after he is taken care of I can lie in as long as I like....so guess what then? Yep, I feel guilty. I have to dress in something at least passable "in case" someone drops in unannounced......no one EVER drops in unnannounced...they are all busy with their"day".

    Yes it feels better at this time, checking forum and facebook, any news and having a good movie in the background...much more peaceful. My wish for you is that you find "rest".....have you asked your GP for something to help you? Love, Moonstruck {and its been beautiful these past few nights).....

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  13. quirkywords
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    20 January 2022 in reply to Moonstruck

    I like the movie too moon.

    it is one of my go to movies Like

    Notting hill,

    sliding doors

    to cheer me up and distract me.

    Lots more but I can’t recall any now.

  14. Mum Chris
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    20 January 2022 in reply to Moonstruck

    Hi,

    I just stayed up till 2 last night and slept from 2 till 7 I didn’t bother with taking what the doctor gave me. I have melatonin but it’s not working so may as well stop it.
    My husband complained that me watching shows and movies on the iPad was keeping him awake so I feel like I need to lay quietly and it’s torture.
    im watching a show called righteous gemstones and it crack me up. I have watched every episode so have to wait till next week now. I used to like rom coms and tried but I’m too jaded these days.
    I have a dog that likes to check on me during the night and wakes me sometimes and if I had a cat I’m sure it would join the game.

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    20 January 2022 in reply to Mum Chris

    Hi mum Chris.

    I sometimes go to bed late when I'm anxious, it's soothing for me to look at my device even though drs recommend against it.

    Reighteous gemstones is hilarious, it's so funny and enjoyable.

    I liked Joe jonas guest starring in last week's episode....so funny.

    If u like it, have u seen vice principals? It has a lot of the same actors and is made by same ppl. X

  16. Mum Chris
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    20 January 2022 in reply to Guest_1643

    Hi Sleepy

    Was it really him I was unsure. I will check out that show. I find watching my iPad helps me fall back to sleep. I’m taking a melatonin pill and putting on meditation music and going for a big night.
    Wishing everyone a good night
    MC

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    Hello....it was indeed Joe jonas. Rest well
  18. golden82
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    21 January 2022 in reply to Moonstruck
    Hello my friend Moon, i read your beautiful post of the night-time. So much imagery. I am up at 1.45am & cannot sleep. I struggle with sleep, but it has got worse this past couple of weeks or so. I agree with you though re feeling more at ease when others are sleeping. It feels a less threatening time. You don't have to be on guard. I hope you are either asleep or enjoying these wee hours that you describe so well. Might catch up with you on covid thread, this stress has been a contributing factor to my lack of sleep i am sure.
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  19. Mum Chris
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    Hi

    I had a medicated sleep and I’m struggling to shake off the medication but I needed it.

    I don’t find the quiet of the night peaceful I find it scary and full of dangers. I’m starting work with a psychologist to help me overcome my fear. The fear of nighttime has come and gone in my life and at times it’s been debilitating. It’s not as bad as it has been but it’s back.
    I fill my mind with comedies and relaxation music and that seems to work. I feel safe in my bed so if I wake and my mind starts going over what I need to do next day I like to put in ear bud and watch something on my iPad. Drs do say that is bad for sleep but I don’t think I have insomnia I have issues. Lol.
    I agree that the iPad can be a good distraction as I often end up falling asleep while it’s going

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    Hi mum Chris.,,,how are u? I get hyoervigilant at night and can strongly relate to Ur statements about finding night terrifying.

    I consulted with a sleep specialist recently and hope to do a sleep study,

    It helped me to hear from someone who has seen many ppl with sleep issues, I had confidence in his suggestions and he was collaborative and effective.

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    24 January 2022 in reply to Mum Chris

    Dear MC and Speepy and all~

    I tend to use conventional books rather than screens to read at night, hopefully on my way to sleep. I'd sort of thought maybe screens tended to keep me awake.

    Then I saw this on the ABC which might help explain it

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2016-10-21/how-technology-use-messes-with-your-sleep/7950336

    Croix

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    25 January 2022 in reply to Croix

    Hi Croix

    I find journalling and reading very helpful to prepare for sleep

    I know about the blue light....it's true it can keep ppl up

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    25 January 2022 in reply to Guest_1643

    Dear Slepy

    Thanks for that , I'm going to set my computer to a night setting that lowers the blue component on the screen, I'm not sure how much difference that will make as I use books later on in the night, anyway, but you never know.

    The only trouble with books is they take up too much space, I've got a LOT!

    Croix

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    27 January 2022 in reply to Croix

    Hi Croix,

    How did u go with the blue light? My sleep has been badly ATM, how's your sleep going?

    My medication doesn't always work too well, see how it goes tonight.

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    27 January 2022 in reply to Guest_1643

    Dear (Valued Contributor) Sleepy21~

    I'm sorry to hear you are not sleeping well. I've been unable ot get sound sleep for a very long time, so develop work-arounds and try different things. My meds plus relaxation exercises are a help, but not a real answer

    So far using a screen with little blue component has had no effect, though how long one needs to trial such a thing is a question, so much depending upon one's state of mind from events during the day.

    I'm persevering with it, and maybe over time I'll notice some effect.

    As soon as a I have a magic fix I'll certainly let you know :)

    Incidentally like Quirky whenever I see a post from you, Summer Rose and others I know in advance it will be sensible, caring and productive.

    Croix

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    28 January 2022 in reply to Croix

    Hi Croix

    I can understand feeling like sleep is a complex nut to crack...so many factors...

    I'm trying different things and exploring so can relate to looking for a magic fix.

    Thank you for your kind words. U are a very wise and kind comtributer

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    I might have sleep apnea and hopefully a sleep study will rule it out...among other factors I have to keep an eye on.

    The sleep Dr said I'm healthy and young and we ll get to the bottom of the problem, and he can also give my psychiatrist tips to assist with my particular issues either sleep, very hylervigilant and unsafe at night. Nice to see a Dr being thorough and creative in approaching sleep problems. I felt he really understood that it's complex.

    Being told to drink Milk before bed or listen to music...is well meaning but has never addressed my trauma issues which keep me up. Hoping for good outco,es with my new Dr!

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    30 January 2022 in reply to Guest_1643
    I got diagnosed with sleepy apnea a few years ago.I did do the sleep study and stayed in the hospital while monitoring me.They didn't think I was at the stage needing the machine and told me to lose wait and to get a mouthguard made from an orthodontist.I am wondering if mine has got worst again as I have been so tired lately.
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    30 January 2022 in reply to Matchy69

    Hi mark, sometimes they make a fuss over age and weight...doesn't feel good...

    The sleep study seems helpful. I've decided to do mine at home.

    I use a spray for congestion and breathing which might help me til I get the test.

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    I had put on weight at the time as an antidepressant I was on was making me eat and have cravings for junk food.I have lost that weight now.It would be much more better doing it at home the sleep study.I did mine a couple of days before my daughter got married which was a bit of an awkward time for me.

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