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  1. Katyonthehamsterwheel
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    11 February 2020 in reply to Hanna3

    hi Hanna

    Sorry you're not in a good space. I'm not either I'm afraid, so it's good birdy has popped in with some book talk to distract us. I'll leave The Lovely Bones I think. Or maybe pop it down to the Salvos. I'm not really in a reading mood. Kind of in a nothing mood.

    Sorry about your GP visit. Is everything ok today? Has your mood carried over from yesterday, as sometimes happens? Or perhaps something else is upsetting you? I'd love to be there with you so we could share our woes, have a cuppa, then take our doggies for a nice walk together and just forget the world for a minute. Sending you a big hug. Your words were so kind to me yesterday when you were in your own bad space. I'm here thinking of you. Hugs again. Katy

  2. Hanna3
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    11 February 2020 in reply to Katyonthehamsterwheel

    Thanks Katy. I went out and took Sam for a walk. We've had a huge storm and heavy rain.

    I didn't know if you were down or if Uni had started. I'm sorry to bother you on a down day. I'll check on your thread if there's anything I can help with...

    Yes I was stressed out last night and over rude doctors, went to bed early, but the mood carried over to today you're spot on!

    I wish we could have a cuppa, walk our dogs and have a chat too... take care I am sorry you're down too. I'd send hugs from Sam but he got very wet on our walk and I'm drying him off - wet dog is not a good smell! HUGS from me though xx

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    Hello Hanna,

    HUG..... HUG..... HUG....(A big hug x 3) Not good you're having a shocker of a day lass. Is it something that you think talking about it would help?... All good if not... I can just sit quietly with you.... or waffle on about other things, if you want some distraction.....

    More hugs from me & Woofa sends slobbers

    Paws

  4. Hanna3
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    11 February 2020 in reply to Birdy77

    Hi Birdy! Lovely to hear from you again!

    Yes I did wonder if you were caught up in the fires and maybe had lost your home or something - it was all so dreadful. So I'm glad to hear you are OK although drained...

    I didn't much like My Name is Lucy Barton either and didn't finish it..

    I've ordered History of Rain glad you enjoyed it! I am loving This is Happiness - it's a happy book even though some things in it are a bit sad of course, but mostly it's pretty joyous. I've loved his writing style. Interesting that you didn't like the other book - he's written several I'm wondering which ones to get cheaply online...

    The neighbours are controlling the feral dogs a bit more, but I can't leave Sam in the yard off the lead. I think I got too tired to deal with them anymore - too much stress with nasty doctors...

    Yes I thought it absolutely unethical for a doctor to enquire why I didn't like a colleague - it's sufficient for me to simply say I'd prefer to see someone else. I wasn't expecting such a question and was taken by surprise. I'm really over searching for a decent GP here but I'll have to keep trying - it's just that in a regional town I'm running out of doctors!!!

    I found The Erratics un-put-downable but wished I had known more about her childhood, but I think she has blanked a lot of that out. What a mother! Imagine growing up with that! I went to Macquarie Uni and she lives not far from where I used to so I guess I found it interesting that way too...

    Do keep in touch from time to time it's lovely to hear from you and I am glad you are basically OK from the fires... I had been worried when you disappeared for so long that you weren't OK. Hugs from us both here (rather damp ones from Sam due to the storm...) xx Hugs

    PS: Let me know if you find anything else good to read!!!

  5. Hanna3
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    11 February 2020 in reply to Paw Prints

    Hi Paws,

    I feel very lucky to have such nice people to chat to on BB, I really do. You've a lovely bunch! And I'm happy to have Woofa's slobbers too!

    I think I got stressed out yesterday from nasty doctors, it all go too much - I went to bed exhausted and woke up really down, just tired of their nastiness - I've never come across this before, it adds to the way I feel about moving here at all - and I'm alone all day... which doesn't help. I did make myself go and buy my ticket to the Vivaldi concert this Saturday night, that was money I shouldn't have spent but I figure it's a mental health necessity to have something to look forward to!

    Social isolation when you're down and stressed ain't good. It turned out hot as well which neither Sam nor I like... but we've had a big storm now and Sam's drying off wet fur...

    Yes I'm a bit down, tired of my own company, tired of nasty doctors, etc etc etc. The usual. So I'm being a bore. But it's nice to have you there, and Katy and Birdy, and for you all to care like that is lovely. I'll watch some TV tonight and go back to my lovely book when I go to bed.. just a bad attack of homesickness and I've never experienced unpleasant doctors before like this, makes me feel something is wrong with this town...

    So hugs for being there and coming by... wish we could all walk our doggies and have a cuppa and a chat and look at the scenery and listen to the birds or the sea or whatever... that would be so nice. Are you keeping OK? Wet damp hugs from Sam and hugs from me HUGS xxx

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    11 February 2020 in reply to Hanna3

    Hi Hanna,

    It's good your giving yourself a treat with the coming concert. Did Sam get wet playing in puddles or were you both caught in the storm?

    After yet another humid day.... I'm now fogged in here.... the cloud was sitting on top of the ridge across the valley all day... since about 5pm it's been slowly sinking....

    Thought you might like a chuckle ....Woofa was in my bedroom... he had just spent the last 5 min barking... I thought he was barking at something he could see through the window.... nope.... when I went in to tell him off... I found my big brave boy on my bed.... he was barking at.... my ferocious scary..... pillow

    I hope you manage a good nights sleep & wake refreshed tomorrow

    Pats to Sam & hugs from me

    Paw

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    11 February 2020 in reply to Paw Prints

    We got caught in the storm Paws but it was rather nice since it's so long since we've had any rain! I think Sam enjoyed it!

    Love Woofa barking at the very scary pillow! There's a big brave dog!

    I think I'm off for an early night. You take care Paws and thank you - pats to Woofa! xx

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    12 February 2020 in reply to Hanna3

    Good morning Hanna :)

    I've been up and taken Storm for a morning swim as it's supposed to be warm today. I'm about to enjoy my coffee and have a read of Randolph Stow. Hope your day is looking good so far. I just wanted to pop by your thread quickly.

    Hi anyone else dropping by, and hugs and pats to Sam x

  10. Hanna3
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    12 February 2020 in reply to Katyonthehamsterwheel

    Hi Katy and Paws and everyone,

    Thanks Katy I was just on your thread - hope I didn't put things wrongly...

    Now for me... if any of you can bear it again. OK I've made a complete mess of my life coming here. I've had help from Geoff on the home improvement thread about how bad this house is and will be. I've been in this town since September and I've never been so alone or unhappy. And I don't feel I can tell anyone who helped me get here or advised me to do it - and it's my own fault anyway.

    I'm so homesick and lonely. I can't find even a decent GP - I asked a nice woman pharmacist this morning if she could recommend anyone and she said "good luck, I've been here three years and I'm still trying to find a decent GP". Sam is miserable. The fibro house looked OK when I saw it in the snow (I only had a couple of hours to make the decision, Housing don't give you much time) but the truth is my heart sinks into my boots every time I come home to it - it's bleak, run down, the gutters are all rusted through, the garden is a bare paddock.

    I haven't told anyone that I have never even unpacked properly - I've given up on myself and have been wearing the same two summer tops over and over all summer. I can't be bothered with myself, and I always took pride in myself. I feel terrible that Sam is so unhappy. This town is too big and busy and I feel overwhelmed after the quiet little place where I lived. I miss the sea.

    I am finding the house and garden difficult to manage with arthritis and my age (early 60s). I requested the transfer, I longed for a garden and a cooler climate but got the worst heat I could imagine and social isolation along with it. The garden is huge and hot and bare and it costs a lot of money just to get it mowed. We can't use it much anyway due to the Rottweilers.. and the heat.

    Housing won't like this and won't like another transfer application which could take over a year even with priority. So it's a real mess.

    I try to tell myself there is always a way out but at the moment I can't see it, and feel so depressed. I find it hard to get up in the morning because there is nothing to look forward to, and it's so lonely. The heat is coming back again this week which I dread. I need a plan..

    I know I need to talk to Housing but they don't seem very friendly here. I know there is no easy solution. At the same time I think it's a mistake to punish yourself for the rest of your life for a mistake - that there must be some way out.

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    Hey Hanna, loved to read about the concert Saturday night. It sounds great, so awesome that you can go and do something like that. Money comes and goes, i think it's so worth it for mental health. I don't know the full situation but I'm so sorry you feel unhappy where you live. That is really hard. I also made a mistake with my accomodation and it botheres me daily, I hate my apartment. Why are there so few good gps??? It's awful how few there are out there that are worth seeing and that give good advice. I hope you are okay today, and thanks for posting. I can relate to a lot of what you wrote.
    Vanessa
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    12 February 2020 in reply to Hanna3

    Hanna

    We do what we feel is right, with the best of intentions, and sometimes things just go wrong. I think that's the case here. And no, it seems there's no easy solution, so best to focus on what can be done.

    You've already had a negative experience dealing with Housing there, so what might make that easier? Are you able to make an appointment to sit and speak to your housing officer? Can you get an appointment early in the day so you're not stressing all day about it? Will your friend go with you? Can you dot point your concerns on paper to discuss those? Or... is there an advocacy service that you can talk to, that will speak to Housing on your behalf? Here we have Accordwest (they already sound like they might be WA based), but perhaps you have something similar? What about Anglicare? Even just getting advice from an agency about your situation, even if they don't have advocacy services.

    As mentioned previously, if you don't have luck with Housing, as your first port of call, what about your local MP? Lots of people have been successful in resolving issues with Housing, by approaching their MP. My other previous suggestion was to ring the social worker at Centrelink. It's hard to get through and you may have to wait a few days for a call back, but they may have advice for you too.

    If it's impacting your physical and mental health to the degree you've described, then taking some (difficult) steps to seeking assistance, may make you feel less helpless. Absolutely no need to punish yourself. You're not asking for the world, you're asking for a basic level of comfort and safety, which we're all entitled to.

    How would you feel about having a google today to see what agencies are available locally that may be able to provide advice or support to you? Even if you're not up to calling today x

    I wish I could help further, but we're limited by distance and anonymity obviously. But I really do care and feel for what you're going through. Big HUGS x

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    12 February 2020 in reply to Hanna3
    Dear Hanna,

    Oh your loneliness, homesickness and feelings of despair leap from the page 😥 i am just so glad that you are here and have made some connections here as otherwise it would feel even more unbearable.

    Another beautiful member here, Summer Rose has mentioned before an organisation called Wellways - is that something you could look into perhaps? On their website menu there is a program called Doorway, i was wondering if a call to them might be a way fir you to get some support, even if it's advice from them on how to deal with Housing? What do you think? Worth a look?

    You should definitely stop punishing yourself for making the move. You made the decision that seemed best at the time, given the information that you had at that time. You weren't to know what the weather was going to be like, nor what an oven your house was going to become.

    It seems absolutely unfair to me that the house is in such disrepair, and you should not be expected to live in 47 degree days - that is literally like being in an oven, that's about the temp i set when i dehydrate my garlic cloves for heavens sakes!

    Your health is already being impacted because of the conditions in which you live, and you cannot thrive there, it's untenable. If all that is put in writing to Housing and they do nothing, i would take it higher. Ombudsman or similar? I'm pretty sure they won't want to be held liable for your declining health and if they're aware your house is making you sick, and they do nothing about it, they can be.

    I'm really cranky on your behalf.

    Please keep in mind that nothing is permanent - i know you can't see your way clear at the moment, but there is always hope to change your situation. I know you are exhausted by it, but there has to be a way to change this around for you.

    Sending you strength and positive vibes.

    Here to listen and care.

    🌻birdy
  14. Hanna3
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    12 February 2020 in reply to Birdy77

    Hi Birdy, Katy and Sleepy!

    Thanks for your kind replies, all with good suggestions. I'm afraid I rather spat the dummy today, maybe it's the heat returning again...

    My problem is before I go to Housing I really need to know where I want to go - preferably back to Coastal Town or somewhere else by the coast. Otherwise they will only put me in one of the public housing units here and I don't want to stay in this town, and the units here are so bleak and in such an awful part of town I couldn't bear it!

    I sent a friend in Queensland a photo from my phone yesterday of the rusting gutters with the rain pouring into the windows and she was horrified! Geoff on the housing thread said it's not livable…

    I actually Googled what to do when you're life is a mess today! It says start with a list of what's wrong... which is probably a good exercise...

    I'd be happy to live in a caravan park if it was a well run one - what helps make me miserable here is that the neighbours never, ever talk, I haven't seen pretty much any of them in five months now except when I first moved in. I put Xmas cards in all their letter boxes but no response. So I miss a community.

    So far my experience has been that public housing at least in NSW appears to be utterly sub-standard. My tiny unit in Coastal Town didn't seal properly at the floor, so there would be literally hundreds of bugs underneath the couch each week (humid climate), the sun hit all windows all day summer with no way of putting up shade awnings (this in a sub-tropical climate), no outdoor private space, and the toilet blocked every month for nearly a year before they finally repaired it properly - so each month I had 2-3 days where I had to go and drive to a public toilet anytime I needed a loo...

    Unfortunately my friend is preoccupied with her abusive partner returning Katy - otherwise that might be a good idea....

    I am thinking whether I can find someone to talk to maybe at Vinnies or the local neighbourhood centre to see if anyone can give me any help... I am going to write down the list of what I need and what is wrong here (I actually think that was a good idea on that website) and Google around caravan parks to see if any rent a van (some do).

    So I'm trying to think of solutions that might be a bit out of the box as it were - public housing is secure but I haven't had much luck in getting anything very livable. Basic is fine, but it does need to be livable. Thanks so much for your help all of you!

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    12 February 2020 in reply to Birdy77
    Thanks so much for your ideas and kindness Birdy - and I love the bit about your garlic cloves!!! Oh dear... my house!!!
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    12 February 2020 in reply to Sleepy21
    Hi Sleepy, what's up with your apartment? At least if I'm going to have a whinge here today someone else might as well too! And yes why the problem with GPs I wonder...
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    Hi Hanna and everyone else.

    I hope I haven't done anything wrong, I'm sorry if I have. I want to talk to all of you but if none of you are up to talking that's fine too I suppose. Sorry

    Tayla

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    12 February 2020 in reply to Katyonthehamsterwheel
    Thanks for your usual thoughtful reply Katy - I'll Google around tonight... and I asked about the Randolf Stow on your thread a while ago... xx
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    hi Hanna, i feel for you and read through your post about the struggle in your place. I felt glad for you that you can share here and go through it. I'm still a bt shy here, as a lot has recently happened (with an inpatient stay etc) and trying to get back to life. Thank you for asking about me and opening up the convo.... sadly still bit anxious to post.
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    12 February 2020 in reply to Sleepy21
    Well welcome to BB Sleepy and your posts here were fine! I hope you feel more confident soon, it's a safe supportive place here... do try the BB Café some time it's a nice place to meet up with others and get to know them. Best wishes.
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    Hanna I shouldn't laugh at your google search (what to do when your life's a mess) but it sounds familiar. I'd be embarrassed if someone looked at my search history - "i'm lonely", "why did he move on so quick", "i'm sad". Oh well, sometimes google is actually useful, you never know what you might find :)

    I think it makes sense to think about what you do want, before talking to Housing, so fair enough. In my experience here with public housing, you've got all sorts. Some people are living in new, flash places, and some in run down old ones, and they don't seem to be keen on spending money on preventing problems from occurring either. They seem to just wait until the place is falling apart and then only do what's necessary. So it comes down to luck really.

    I'm enjoying Randolph Stow so far. I'm 3 chapters in and appreciating the writing style. So you found him unusual? In what way do you think? He has thrown in some random poetry and some words have perplexed me (which is quite welcome, but I should really have my phone handy for these occasions so I can google). See how I go. Two weeks until uni starts - eeeeek! I've had a look through the unit plans, and had a squiz at the assessments to see what to expect, but it just made me panicky.

    Repeat mantra: you've got this!

    Maybe you can pick a mantra too Hanna? ;)

    Hi to Paws, birdy, Tayla, Vanessa, and anyone else popping by - hope you're all doing ok x

    Katy

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    12 February 2020 in reply to Katyonthehamsterwheel

    Hi there Katy,

    I'm glad you're enjoying the Stow book, the library here doesn't have that one of his unfortunately. I have read Tourmaline and To the Islands - I guess I meant he's unusual in that he writes unusual stories - Tourmaline is basically the story of how a town starts to worship a cult figure - but it took me a while to work it out - and I need to re-read To the Islands to comment properly I must admit. I enjoyed reading them but he does write an unusual tale...

    Yes my Google history is probably scary - but it's amazing when you Google something like "what to do when you've life's a mess" how much comes up on just that topic! I suppose there's comfort in knowing there must be heaps of others out there with the same problem... anyway you just gave me a chuckle there at my own expense, so well done you!

    Uni in two weeks is exciting - your final year! Of course we're all coming to your graduation...

    Take care, hugs xxx

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    Hello Hanna, wave all,

    Good idea talking to vinnies or the local support services. It wouldn't hurt talking to the bb helpline, they may know of other services who might be able to help.

    Lass I know you are desperately unhappy where you are.... I wonder though.... from some things you have mentioned about your old place.... whether if you wrote down a list of all the good & bad of the old place.... you may see more clearly why the move itself was a good idea.... thereby helping you see that you really don't deserve to beat yourself up over it.

    Jumping in on your & Katy's book chat.... I've not heard of Randolph Stow before but you have piqued my interest, so I shall be trying him as soon as I can get a paw on one of his books.

    Another day spent in bed, I really must push myself harder to get up at a reasonable time, things won't change if I keep hiding in bed all the time.

    Hugs

    Paws

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    13 February 2020 in reply to Paw Prints

    Hi Paws,

    It's always lovely to have a post from you when I look! And what you wrote on Katy's thread was nice too.

    I've just been replying to Geoff on the home improvement thread as he has been a great help about the house here.

    Yes I need to do some careful thinking, so I'm not rushing to Housing at the moment - the weather is thankfully a bit cooler, and both Sam and I seem to be extraordinarily tired - maybe the hot summer, the battle I've had with the local hopeless GPs lately, have taken a toll I think. I am going blind in one eye and desperately need another opinion from an eye specialist, and I've been here since September trying to get one, and the GPs are so busy fussing over my anti-anxiety meds that I still have not been able to get a referral from them. I'm exhausted from trying! I am having a quiet day today...

    I think writing things down was a good point I got from Googling about my life being a mess. I'm going to do that as I think of things. I'm taking time out today as I'm only just up and having breakfast, just wanted to rest in bed!

    Randolf Stow writes rather peculiar stories - I'd try To the Islands rather than Tourmaline I think - his writing is lovely but the stories are rather strange - he must have had quite an imagination. I've just finished Niall Williams book This is Happiness, about the people in a small Irish village in the 1970s, and it was a delight to read - just lovely. I felt sad that I'd finished it! Isn't that the sign of a good book...!

    I hope Woofa is OK, sending pats to her and hugs to you.... thanks for being there Paws you're great xx

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    13 February 2020 in reply to Hanna3

    Hi Hanna, was I mistaken or did you mention on a thread that you had experience doing writing groups/working in writing? I'm loving hearing what you are reading and your opinions. You are also a great writer here when you post!

    You sound relaxed today, and taking it slowly through the incredible challenges of sorting out accomodation and making decisions about it. What is BB Cafe anyone? Thanks for sharing here to all of you....hope you're somewhere nice today

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    13 February 2020 in reply to Sleepy21

    Hi Sleepy,

    Yes I think I was chatting somewhere where I mentioned I used to do some freelance writing for ABC radio which was a lot of fun! I am in a small writing group here, but it's mostly got a Sci Fi/Young Adult concentration which isn't quite my thing so I'm not sure if I'll continue or not...

    Thanks about my posts I'm horrified at the typos but I have to type with my laptop next to me on the couch which is not a very good way to type!

    There's a threat called What Books Are You Reading on BB, you will find it somewhere - I haven't been on it, I think I've been chatting casually with a couple of others as we swap book ideas. What sort of books do you enjoy? I'm a bookworm so I love talking about books. I'm reading an Irish author at the moment.

    The BB Café is on the social zone somewhere - it's where you go just to chat and be silly, it's a good way to meet up with others and it's nothing serious, just for socializing. Take a look it's listed somewhere if you go to the Home page. Hope to see you there. Sometimes it's busy and other times there's nobody much around, you more or less have to keep checking. Good to hear from you!

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    Hi Hanna

    What exactly do you do in a writers group? I came across one here, but apparently it's pretty exclusive, so not sure I'd be welcome anyway.

    The Stow book I'm reading seems quite sensible. I'm enjoying his writing immensely. I did a bit of a google yesterday and he's actually quite a celebrated author and poet, which is interesting as I've never heard of him. I'm sure I'll get through a bit more of the book today.

    I read you're having a bit of a lazy morning. Good on you. We all need to recharge at times. What's next on the reading list now you've finished your book?

    Hugs, Katy

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    13 February 2020 in reply to Katyonthehamsterwheel

    Hi Katy,

    Yes Radolf Stow is one of the famous Australian writers. Tim Winton says he was hugely influenced by Stow's writing (I do enjoy Tim Winton!) I probably shouldn't have commented on his books without re-reading them, but whilst I loved the writing style of Tourmaline I did actually have to Google around for reviews before I actually properly followed what it was truly about! I love the title The Merry Go Round in the Sea - he certainly had a wonderful imagination. I wish the library here had it as I'd read it too.

    Here's a quote from Tourmaline's opening paragraph - only part of it - just to show what a magnificent writing style he has (Tourmaline is a country town running out of water):

    "I say we have a bitter heritage, but that is not to run it down. Tourmaline is the estate, and if I call it heritage I do not mean that we are free in it. More truly we are tenants; tenants of shanties rented from the wind, tenants of the sunstruck miles"

    And on it goes from there about the town. Wonderful beginning!

    My writing group meets monthly at the library, I've been twice it's been three guys and three women, but we women don't seem to get a word in. Unfortunately the men seem to concentrate on Sci Fi and Young Adult, neither of which is my thing, and the other lady is trying to write a memoir but can't get a word in sideways against the men and was thinking of not returning... I enjoy writing but I'm definitely not a Sci Fi fan so I missed the last meeting too...

    Writers can be difficult - they can think they're terribly important for some reason. I just enjoy writing and it was another way to try to meet people here, but I was hoping for a more diverse range of writing...I think you would write very nicely, but if they're a snobby group I'd avoid...

    I'm off colour today, I suspect my blood sugar is too high, I'm tired and nauseated - should have got the GP to check it but then it was hard enough getting a script from her. I'm resting this arvo, I took Sam for a lovely walk around the university campus this morning while it was still reasonably cool, now it's gone hot and I'm just resting and mooching about.

    Am meeting a friend for coffee tomorrow, she is younger than me and very attractive and dresses beautifully, so I've made myself iron a decent outfit to wear - I've been so lazy about myself lately!

    I'm now reading The Last Days of Ava Langdon by Mark O'Flynn, a novel based on a real author who was eccentric. It looks excellent. Hugs xx

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    Just popping in to say hi to everyone, including you Hanna.

    I hope everyone's alright. I've been quite down but I guess I'll be OK.

    I'm here if anyone wants to chat with me about anything, hopefully someone will?

    Tayla

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    13 February 2020 in reply to Hanna3

    Hanna I think I read that you were off to bed, but as we're on a different timetable, well, in different time zones, I thought I'd reply anyway :)

    Thanks for sharing the opening to Tourmaline. I'm really enjoying Stow's writing, so I'm already thinking I'd like to read more of what he's written. I did get onto a few pages that were a bit sad earlier, so I've put the book down for now until I myself aren't sad. I don't need to compound it as I'm sure you can imagine.

    Writers thinking they're terribly important gave me a giggle. **whispers to Hanna** (my ex was a writer). Teehee. Shhhh don't tell anyone!

    So... when you attend writing group, is it basically to discuss with others what you're working on? I'd love to write, but I wouldn't know where to start. I'm sure there would be a course or something. I did submit a short story to a competition once just for fun, but that's it! Are you working on something, then?

    Well I hope you enjoy your catch up with your friend tomorrow. How nice to have something to look forward to. Talk tomorrow. (V Day - blerggghhh).

    Katy x

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