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Topic: SLEEP

  1. Mary S1
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    8 February 2019 in reply to white knight
    I just left my psychologist for wasting half a session doing this same relaxation exercise which we used to do before theatre class as a 13 year old. It's as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike when you've got rampant anxiety.
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  2. Mary S1
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    8 February 2019 in reply to white knight
    I should have added in the previous post that this proposed remedy is useless also for chronic insomnia.
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  3. white knight
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    9 February 2019 in reply to Mary S1

    Hi Mary

    Many so called "remedies" are long term in the scheme of things.

    When I girst tried muscle tensioning exercises, like meditation, it had zero effect. However, any such effort that lowers your racing heart beat has to be doing some good. After about 2 years of doing these daily my anxiety began to go away.

    Also, what works for one might not work for you.

    TonyWK

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  4. fred4761
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    9 February 2019 in reply to white knight

    Hi all, it has been a while since I dropped by as I had been doing well with my sleep. I find that when I am going through periods of extra stress/anxiety/depression, I seem to forget all about things like good sleep hygiene. I find the most beneficial has been to go back to my evening wind down routine of a warm bath, herbal tea, bedtime yoga and sleep meditation.

    Dools, have you ever looked up instruction videos on how to properly insert ear plugs? I found them more comfortable when I was wearing them properly. Also, I have had to try many different types and styles and brands before I found ones that are super comfortable. After I got an ear infection (swimmer’s ear) my GP suggested that I try not to use ear plugs each night. I bought a white noise machine and use that most nights to provide background noise and help me to block out any environmental sounds.

    Mary, I have to agree with TonyWK. The relaxation and meditation techniques that my psychiatrist taught me took a long time before I started to see a noticeable benefit from doing them. I think it just has to be a long term thing that you are constantly working on . . . there don’t seem to be any shortcuts you can take :(

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  5. Doolhof
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    10 February 2019 in reply to fred4761

    Hi Fred and All,

    Thanks for the suggestions Fred. I never thought of looking for instructional videos on inserting earplugs! One pack came with specific pictures and instructions, a video will be interesting.

    Maybe if I had comfortable earplugs in I would not take them out in my sleep!

    Sticking to a routine can be very beneficial, thanks for that reminder too.

    The ceiling fan makes quite a bit of noise so I concentrate on that and it helps send me off to sleep!

    Thanks again for the hints.

    Cheers from Dools

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  6. Sueetties
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    16 February 2019 in reply to Doolhof

    I got a pack of larvenda oil tablets - a sample pack from my GP yesterday to try and see if it can improve my sleep. It’s now 3.30am and I am still wide awake. I wonder if anyone has tried this before and if it works!?

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  7. Keypi
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    20 February 2019 in reply to white knight

    Hi Everyone,

    I've been reading all your tips and at least now I'll have a few to try I think tonight I'll start with the tension exercise it sounds interesting. I've always struggled with sleep ever since my depression started so many years ago. But with this relapse I'm going through it is particularly worse and I haven't had much sleep in a week I feel like that's making me go more crazy. I'm really hoping tonight I get some sleep the only problem is that today I've started coming down with something so my ears and throat feel like their on fire.

    Well hopefully some of you sleep well,

    Keypi :)

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  8. Guest_2496
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    20 February 2019 in reply to Keypi

    Bummer about your ears and throat Keypi!

    I haven’t read this whole thread so my tips might be in there somewhere but - have you got any lavender oil? Sprinkle some on the bed. Massage shoulders with magnesium oil - I always sleep well after that. And/or listen to someone like Michael Sealey on YouTube, or a Headspace meditation.

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    21 February 2019 in reply to Guest_2496

    Hi everyone

    I also keep hearing about Magnesium as it helps rejuvenate our system and promotes quality sleep

    Turning off our mobile phone at least an hour before bed is always a huge help too....Even if the phone doesnt ring there is a subconscious awareness that it might.....thus having a negative impact on the quality of our sleep

    Lavender...thanks annie and Sueetties for the reminder....Nice1

    Hi Keypi....I hope you feel better soon :-)

    kindest always

    Paul

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  10. Keypi
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    21 February 2019 in reply to blondguy

    Hi Annie,

    Thanks for the tip I'll have to get some, I do love the smell of lavender, and boy if I could get a massage then I'd sleep for sure those always make me feel relaxed and put my straight off to sleep. But I don't have anyone that could do that for me right before bed :(

    I'll have a look into this Micheal fella :D

    Thanks Paul I hope I feel better soon too I have to work tomorrow at least it will be friday!

    Sleep well everyone,

    Keypi :)

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  11. Guest_2496
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    21 February 2019 in reply to Keypi

    Hi Paul and Keypi and all

    My previous dr recommended magnesium. The tablets upset my gut but the oil is good.

    Keypi I meant just massage your own shoulders with it - if I had someone to do that I’m sure I’d be asking every day ha ha.

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  12. Doolhof
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    22 February 2019 in reply to Guest_2496

    Hi Everyone,

    There certainly have been some good ideas and suggestions here.

    My issue is I managed to fall asleep okay than I am wide awe in a couple of hours. I have tried the get up and do something ideas and then return to bed when you are tired, only that tiredness doesn't usually come back.

    Sitting around makes my body ache so I get fed up with that as well! I too am getting so tired my brain doesn't work well!

    A massage every night sounds like a wonderful idea! Yes, even a self massage would be helpful. Thanks for the ideas!

    Cheers everyone from Dools

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  13. Keypi
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    23 February 2019 in reply to Doolhof

    Hahaha oh right that makes sense now, lol silly me :D well I'll definitely give it ago, and yes magnesium does tend to cause an upset stomach, which is why they say you should take it with food but that's a bit hard to do right before bed cos it will wake you up.

    Yes I agree with you Dools, I feel the same way I fall asleep then boom wide awake and can't get back to sleep, or it's a case of awake, asleep then awake again then asleep then AWAKE again. It feels just crazy sometimes.

    Keypi :)

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    23 February 2019 in reply to Keypi

    Hi Keypi and All,

    Maybe some of us don't need as much sleep as others? I don't know. My body tells me it needs some decent sleep though!

    Last night when it was time for bed, the cat ran behind the couch. We usually put her down the back of the house where she has her own Queen sized bed and other rooms to play in.

    She would not come out so I had to just leave her. All night she ran all over me in bed, meowed and carried on. I was too tired to get up and put her back into her rooms!

    Darn cat! Ha. Ha.

    Cheers all from Dools

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  15. Ggrand
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    23 February 2019 in reply to Doolhof

    Hello Mrs Dools and all..

    I have a similar problem with my two dogs, They each have a soft fluffy bed each in the loungeroom, they use them until I go to bed, no matter how quiet I am they know I’ve gone to bed and decide it’s playtime by jumping over me and ruff n tumble time on my bed, it lasts about 5 minutes then they both lay down and use my back to lean against..if I move over to get away from them...they follow until eventually I have about 1/4 of the bed and they have the rest...

    If you take look at our animal world they generally sleep from sundown to sun up...where we tend to sit up late...I’m wondering if we had no tv, phones, radio, internet etc..nothing to do after sundown would we do the same as the animals do...I remember a few camping trips we all bedded down as soon as it got dark...having no technology I wonder if our ancestors went to bed when it got dark?.. Is technology a cause for the escalating problems of not getting enough sleep...Just my thoughts...

    Grandy..

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  16. Guest_2496
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    24 February 2019 in reply to Ggrand
    Oh sleep where did you go. I have all the tips in the world for others but the last three nights have been terrible...
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  17. Doolhof
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    24 February 2019 in reply to Guest_2496

    Hi Grandy,

    Interesting thoughts. I also guess that for some people, life was a lot tougher physically so by the end of the day they may have been exhausted and slept well.

    Hi annie,

    Hope you manage to get some sleep!

    Cheers from Dools

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  18. Keypi
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    24 February 2019 in reply to Doolhof

    Hi Everyone,

    The same thing happens to my Grandy with my two dogs they are so calm then I go to bed and boom wrestling time on top of me at least they do settle quickly. But in the mornings they are definitely taking up more of the bed.

    When we went camping we still stayed up til after sun down but not always. I think you right about the physical activities that would otherwise exhaust them. Some times when camping I couldn't stay awake after sun down because I usually had a very physical day. However the environment in the city is very different and going to work is tiring and my job is physical but it just doesn't have the same effect.

    Annie it's not good when you can't sleep I'm sorry to hear you've been struggling sometimes after a while it builds up and your body just gives up and you get a good night sleep.

    Keypi :)

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    24 February 2019 in reply to Guest_2496

    Hi Annie and everyone!

    How much sleep have you been getting the last few days Annie? This is awful to go through as I understand where you are coming from

    my kindest always

    Paul

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  20. Music_Freak
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    25 February 2019 in reply to blondguy
    I'm taking a sleeping tablet and still only getting around 5 hours sleep...so annoying. I'm wondering if it's uni study related stress and my brain is over riding the meds somehow, or something. The stupid part is that I find I need a nap later in the day, not a good habit to have!
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  21. Guest_2496
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    25 February 2019 in reply to blondguy

    Hi everyone

    Paul - for three nights I went to sleep around 3am, was just wide awake til then! So, probably got around 4 hours... Last night I went about midnight, woke at 1 but back to sleep, woke at 5 but back to sleep... maybe I should stop looking at the time when I wake?!

    Today I had a tiring appt with the psych so I expect to sleep. We'll see.

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  22. Keypi
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    25 February 2019 in reply to Guest_2496

    Hi Everyone,

    Annie I hope you do get some restful sleep tonight. I don't think I will sleep well as I have my first GP appt tomorrow and am freaking out a little.

    Keypi :)

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  23. Shelll
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    26 February 2019

    Oh man I am still much awake. It is 5:20am here. Yesterday I drank 2 iced coffees made on soy milk, instant coffee and sweetened with coconut sugar. This was about 1 pm. Super yummy

    I have not had caffeine for a very long time, I do not even know when the last time was. So yeah, I am so alert. I am even thinking about driving out to the beach very soon and watch the sun rise. That should be nice hey!!

    Lesson learnt- no caffeine for me. This is nuts. Oh well I will make the most of it now.

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  24. Doolhof
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    26 February 2019 in reply to Shelll

    Hi Everyone,

    Shelley, oh dear, it does sound like the coffee may have affected you! I actually feel quite tired after drinking coffee! Guess we are all different.

    Sometimes I think I have to just accept how little sleep I do have and not stress about not being asleep! That just makes it worse. Maybe I need to do a little more self talk about it being okay.

    Music, annie and Keypi hope you all manage to get a little more sleep or at least appreciate the sleep you do have and find ways to relax during the day and leading into the evenings especially.

    Cheers all from Dools

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  25. Shelll
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    26 February 2019 in reply to Doolhof

    Oh yeah Mrs D, the caffeine did give me some kind of high. I was unable to sleep at all last night. It was pointless even trying. So I watched ytube for quite a while, then greeted the birds as they woke up for the day. Then drove out to watch the sun rise!

    And I totally agree it is not worth stressing over. I have heard coffee can make some tired, it can be dehydrating. My body just was not use to all the caffeine.

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  26. Guest_2496
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    26 February 2019 in reply to Shelll

    Hi all

    Keypi - thinking of you, hope the gp appt was ok?

    Dools - good point thank you, appreciate the sleep I did have...I don't actually feel terrible, it's just weird being aware at night that I 'should' be asleep when I'm not but then Shelley had a great attitude of not fighting it and enjoying the birds and the sunrise.

    Shelley - I hadn't had any caffeine in the last few months either and in recent days have had a little bit so perhaps that's contributing...

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  27. Keypi
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    26 February 2019 in reply to Guest_2496

    Hi Everyone :)

    I got a bit a sleep last night, I did still roll around a lot but don't feel like my eye balls are dragging on the ground today. I do feel like a nap right now though but I'll see how I go.

    I always though napping was bad as it may make it harder to sleep the night, but if you already don't sleep then having a nap to refresh your brain could be good. Please tell me your thoughts on napping.

    Annie - Thank you, yes the drs went well and he gave me a medication to start on he said it may even help me sleep a bit without a hangover effect so I will see how I go with that one.

    Shelley - That sounds so nice I would love to do that. It's nice to turn a situation around and make the best of it :)

    Dools - I completely agree when I worry about why I'm not sleeping or think to myself 'damn I'm suppose to be asleep, why can't I sleep' or 'come on I'll need on be awake in this many hours try to get some sleep' it never helps the situation only makes it harder to sleep because you then know there is a pressure to sleep. On those nights I just try to do other things if I end up feeling tired I just go straight to bed again.

    - Keypi :)

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  28. blondguy
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    26 February 2019 in reply to Guest_2496

    Hi Everyone......and thankyou Dools for your great thread topic too!

    Hey Annie....That would be a pain....having the roller coaster ride where sleep is concerned. It is exhausting the next day...as the lack of sleep would make our day harder than it has to be.. I know that many people have covered this yet here are a few points of why its difficult to have a quality sleep

    • having an exhausted mind through life events that are worrying/stressing us
    • using a mobile or a PC before bed can overstimulate our brain activity thus making sleep difficult
    • living in an environment that is unpleasant or toxic
    • unresolved personal or family issues can also make a quality sleep difficult to achieve
    • having ongoing poor quality sleep for a protracted period can sometimes make our health worse...a GP is always a bonus even if meds are prescribed too

    Hey Keypi....Great move seeing your GP....I really hope you feel even a little better :-)

    Paul

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  29. Keypi
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    27 February 2019 in reply to blondguy

    Hi Everyone,

    Man I had the worst sleep last night that I've had in a long time which was a total of no sleep at all. That of course made it very difficult to work today :/ I felt like I could barely hold my eyes open driving this morning. It was terrible.

    I'm house sitting tonight so I'll see how much sleep I get, it can be hard sleeping somewhere new, on an unfamiliar bed. However with how tired I'm feeling I'm really hoping my body will just crash and my brain will turn off and rest a little.

    How is everyone going?

    - Keypi :)

  30. Doolhof
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    27 February 2019 in reply to Keypi

    Hi Everyone,

    Hi Keypi,

    Does reading make you tired? Maybe yo could try counting back from 200 in 3s and see if that distracts your mind.

    Sometimes I find taking in a deep breath for 6 seconds, hold for 3 exhale for 6 seconds, counting all the time helps to slow down my mind as I can't concentrate on the breathing and my negative racing thoughts.

    Have you tried a few stretches before you go to bed, some muscle relaxing, even a self face and neck massage can be relaxing.

    I really do hope yo get some sleep tonight!

    All the best to you from Dools

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