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Topic: Very Depressed - Islamic Terrorism

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  1. Guy40s
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    I am very depressed and concerned by what is happening in our world thanks to Islamic terror groups and Wahhabism. 

    I am extremely alarmed at what I see happening in Iraq with regards to ISIS.

    What is occurring in our world today is unacceptable and it saddens me deeply. 

    Tears in my eyes when I look at my 2 year old daughter. It upsets me to think of what her generation might inherit in her world. It breaks my heart to watch the news.

    The worlds people must unite and stop this immensely anti-social and in humane belief system which is robbing humanity of freedom and diginity.

    I am troubled, concerned and worried. Sadness consumes me daily. 

    I keep thinking of the quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." I haven't seen any good men yet.

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    8 August 2014 in reply to Guy40s

    Hi there Guy

    Welcome to Beyond Blue and thank you for coming here and providing your post.

    And boy, yes, you've picked a tough topic and issue.  It's like big boys having to play with their big toys and to show the other that I'm better.  So if you do that, I'm gonna do THIS.  There take that!!   And what's it all for?   Senseless destruction and pointless attacks and the very real occurance of loss of lives.  And for what??

    But the thing is Guy, these kinds of things have gone on for eons - it's just now they've got better technology and what were once spears and clubs are now replaced with - well, whatever it is they have nowadays.

    To be honest, I really don't know what Joe Average can do about it.  The powers that be won't listen to sense - won't take a step back and think - hey, if we do this, I just wonder what the world will be like in, 50 or 100 years from now?  They don't appear to do that.

    All I think we can do is to love all those around us and keep doing part of what your quote said.  We be good men.  :)

    Neil

     

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    10 August 2014 in reply to Guy40s

    Hi Guy,

    I completely get where you're coming from. After just spending a week in Asia the only thing on their news is the horrors of Iraq, Gaza, and the Ebola outbreak in Africa.

    I agree with Neil that there isn't much we can do on an individual level except rise above what's happening in society and aim to be more humane, dignified, fair, and educated humans. In terms of your daughter I think if you are able to show her what real love is, the difference between right and wrong, and all the good things this world has to offer she will be off to a very good start.

    Neil's right war and poverty, extremism, and antisemeticism have been around for generations. We must not forget how lucky we are to live in a country where we have just about every luxury one could ever ask for, and most importantly the right to freedom.

    Thanks for raising the issue, it's important to bring awareness to such horrific events. It can completely capture you though, and sometimes I think you just have to let go of what you see in the media, and just be grateful for what you have.

    AGrace

  4. HelenM
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    10 August 2014 in reply to AGrace

    Hi Guy,

    Many years ago we didn't know what was going on in the world. Wars were fought and because we didn't have the communication we have today we only knew of the wars that affected our country and even then we only knew a limited amount. 

    I am like you though. I become very upset about the state of the world. Not just fighting but the environment and cruelty shown to animals. What I remind myself though is that if I'd lived thirty or forty years earlier I wouldn't have received the excellent psychiatric help. I would probably be in one of the large out of the way hospitals we have in Britain and living with the shame of depression. There are lots of things that have improved a great deal.

    But yes. I fully understand. My husband and I both say how awful we find the world. My kids are grown up but I have twin grandsons of two. I try not to think of what they will inherit.

    As the others say, all you can do is care and do good within your life.

    Helen

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    10 August 2014 in reply to HelenM

    I agree with Helen, in fact I stopped buying the newspaper years ago for this very reason: all the content is depressing. The news media is so hyper focused on the bad stuff that happens in the world, that it struggles to find any space to celebrate the good stuff.

    I recall with Steven Bradbury's Olympic gold medal win, Australia's first ever winter gold medal, the news media opted to have some scandal story about the PM on the front page (because they prefer depressive news) and then had a small side note single column for the gold medal in the sports section. It was this event that highlighted to me that I should avoid buying newspapers altogether.

    Today, I avoid most all forms of news media. I figure if its something cataclysmic there will be constant interrupts on the radio and everyone will be talking about it. So no real need to watch it, read it, hear it in the first place.

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    I come from the Christian faith, but I wonder: who is terrorizing who? If I were to put myself in the cities of the old Ottoman Empire, would I not feel terrorized by the constant threat of bombs coming from the West? Would I not want my government, my militia and my people to rise up against them?

    It is easy to blame the other person, but then "who are we to point out the speck in their eye, when we cannot see the log in our own?" Perhaps the world would be a better place if we could all do as Christ teaches and turn the other cheek?

    D' 

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    11 August 2014 in reply to Guy40s

    dear Guy, thanks for raising this, well awful topic, but it's something that goes on around the world, and all the above replies I have to agree with.

    Why do mostly men have to have total dominance and control over what they want in life, and let nothing stand in their way, families, children, groups and societies all in the endeavour to be number one, because not only does it kill millions of people they also suffer from sanctions.

    It's deplorable it goes on, and look at the Gaza, what else do they have to bomb and how many more lives have to be lost, all in the quest for control, but we can't unfortunately do much, it's the politicians that make these decisions and won't listen to the average chap who refute their decisions.

    Unfortunately we can't deny and probably never will what Albert Einstein said 'So long as there are men there will be wars', which is a sad and sickly feeling.

    Politicians will never learn what a ghastly mess it leaves us in, but do they care, no they don't, all to be number one. Geoff.

  7. Magyarok
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    11 August 2014

    Hello Guy,

    Thankyou for raising this difficult topic.  Yes there are some abhorrent happenings in the world at present which are deeply concerning and i do worry about the world our children will inherit.  I agree with comments made from the other respondents.

    We also have to remember that these extremist terrorists groups are exactly that they are extremists and their views are not representative of the groups or religions they claim to represent.  These groups only represent and serve their own self interests at the detriment of their own people and of course others.

    I am certain that the average person within these war zones or as refugees who have fled from these areas do not wish for this.  They have similar aspirations to us in that they wish to live in peace, raise a family, go to work and own a house etc and they do not support the views of these extremist groups who claim to represent them.

    I have muslim friends who are horrified and saddened by what is going on and they certainly do not support the views of these terrorist groups.  I feel for these people who have been victimized and marginalised just because of their faith as a result of these terrorist groups who claim to represent them.

    Marginalisation of a group of people because of their faith, race etc results in anger and resentment within these groups which leads to the radicalisation of some of those within those groups and then so the cycle of 'hate' continues.  Media and politics has a lot to do with this and has a lot to answer for.

    I think the best thing we can do as individuals and what we can teach our children is to be more accepting of others and not to discriminate against others because of their faith, race etc which leads to marginalisation and therefore 'hate'.  Hopefully this can make a difference?

    I hope this makes sense?  It is a very difficult topic to comment on.

    All the Best

    ignoP   

     

  8. Guy40s
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    12 August 2014 in reply to SubduedBlues

    Thank you for your comment. You say 'Perhaps the world would be a better place if we could all do as Christ teaches and turn the other cheek?' .. does Jesus say that? I would be most interested to read that section of you could further clarify?

  9. Guy40s
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    12 August 2014 in reply to Magyarok

    Thank you for your comment.

    ignoP said:

    I have muslim friends who are horrified and saddened by what is going on and they certainly do not support the views of these terrorist groups.  I feel for these people who have been victimized and marginalised just because of their faith as a result of these terrorist groups who claim to represent them.

    I don't know any Muslims, perhaps I need to find a Muslim friend for reassurance. I have searched for condemnation of ISIS from Muslim leaders (and the general Muslim community) but have not found anything convincing.

    I know that if I was associated with a belief system that was causing such innocent bloodshed in the world, I would either abandon it or condemn it as loudly as possible for all the world to hear. I would perhaps even find purpose and responsibility to help deal with the problem. 

    I must admit, I see Muslims in the community and I wonder how they are feeling because their religion appears to be hijacked and seemingly being used to justify such horrific acts.

    Surely the Muslim youth in Australia, let alone around the world could use a strong Islamic leader around about now to guide them away from these extreme ideologies? 

    It's like the Christian world has the Pope. The world knows he speaks globally for Christians. Is there an equivalent for Islam?

  10. Guy40s
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    12 August 2014 in reply to HelenM
    HelenM said:

    Many years ago we didn't know what was going on in the world. Wars were fought and because we didn't have the communication we have today we only knew of the wars that affected our country and even then we only knew a limited amount. 

    Thanks Helen. Yes I have thought the same. Man has always fought wars against and we have never had so much technology in the past as we do now. Today, social media and the internet bring war to our breakfast tables. It is also used to influence and recruit people who would perhaps otherwise would have lived in peace.

    My father tells me to switch off the news. There's nothing I can do about things anyway. On one hand yes that's true, but on the other I think about what if it was me? I would not like to think people were switching off and burying their heads in the sand if I was the one suffering and needing help.

    Anyway, I very much appreciate your comments, thank you.

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    13 August 2014 in reply to Guy40s
    In Matthew 5:39 Jesus says, "But I say, do not resist an evil person! If someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek also." and in Luke 6:29 he says, "If someone slaps you on one cheek, offer the other cheek also. If someone demands your coat, offer your shirt also."

    D'
  12. Guy40s
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    Thanks to all who have commented.

    I have learned this week that the brutality and evil that we are witnessing in our world is not Islam and my outlook on Muslims has improved thanks to many Islamic leaders here and around the world condemning the actions of ISIS.

    I'll be honest and say I'm terrified by what I've seen in the news this week. I'm sure any sane person who is aware in the slightest of the events occurring in Iraq and Syria would also be incredibly concerned.

    I shed tears this evening as I glanced over the news headlines. Tears not for me, but for my young daughter who celebrates her 2nd birthday this weekend. How I hope the world will find peace in her lifetime. 

    I'm trying to convince myself that the one good thing about ISIS situation is that it may cause the world's people, the international community to unite in the face of such evil and fight together for peace and stability in our world.

    Just some thoughts. Peace to you all.

     

  13. Struggler
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    31 August 2014 in reply to SubduedBlues

    Hi D'

    Do you take it literally and practise the teaching of Jesus? 

    The purpose of wars is to fight evil.  If some breaks your arm, will you offer your leg too?   If some demands your car, will you offer him your house too?

    I am in a cheeky mood today :=)

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    31 August 2014 in reply to Struggler

    Hi Struggler

    Yes, I have done so. I've been slugged in the side of the face in a nightclub. The attacker was very taken aback when I suggested to him to also hit the other side of my face. He didn't, instead he bought my friends and I a beer.

    It could have just as easily gone the other way and been a very painful experience.

    D'

  15. HelenM
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    2 September 2014 in reply to SubduedBlues

    There are lots of really interesting posts on here and I really feel for you Guy40s as it's your compassion that makes you feel such pain.

    As I say I don't watch the news. I've seen a lot about Gaza on FB and been made aware that I can at least donate to help their situation.

    Within Britain I'm trying to do my little bit. The European Union and USA are in the process of signing a treaty that would give Corporations the right to sue the Govt if legislation got in the way of their profits. This would seriously affect the rights of everyday people. So on Saturday along with 6 others I stopped people in the high street of our town and explained the situation (it's been kept very hush hush) and gave out leaflets. That really lifted my spirits. I felt that I was doing a wee bit to try and help towards justice. Probably if I explained more about the treaty you'd agree.

    Then for me there is the day to day work towards helping others in their struggles. People who come into the charity shop where I work. It's to buy our stuff but so often these people are struggling in lots of other ways. I chat to people and sometimes someone opens up and tells me how difficult their day is. I remember once someone telling me she'd had a breakdown. I listened and talked a little. She said I was the first person who'd ever understood her.

    We have homeless people in our towns. I used to chat to this guy who'd been injured in Northern Ireland some years ago and since then things had got worse and worse. I chatted regularly and felt so sorry for him that one day I gave him £100 - no mean sum. He was delighted and went on to tell me it would help him to pay for his holiday in Jamaica! Sometimes I get things wrong!!!

    I suppose what I'm saying is we can all make a difference in peoples lives. It is so frustrating when we can't help those who make up the horrendous headlines. I hope that by doing the bits I can it will lead to more people being compassionate like you and so many on here and somehow that will make the world a better place.

    Btw. I have twin grandsons at 2yo so I understand where you're coming from.

    Take care, Helen

  16. Struggler
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    3 September 2014 in reply to SubduedBlues
    D'jected said:

    Hi Struggler

    Yes, I have done so. I've been slugged in the side of the face in a nightclub. The attacker was very taken aback when I suggested to him to also hit the other side of my face. He didn't, instead he bought my friends and I a beer.

    It could have just as easily gone the other way and been a very painful experience.

    D'


     

    D'

     

    You didn't answer this question: 

     

    If someone demands your car, will you offer him your house too?  Please don't give me the politician style of answer

     

    Struggler

     

  17. Vegetarian Marshmallow
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    3 September 2014 in reply to Guy40s
    Guy40s said:

    I know that if I was associated with a belief system that was causing such innocent bloodshed in the world, I would either abandon it or condemn it as loudly as possible for all the world to hear. I would perhaps even find purpose and responsibility to help deal with the problem.

    It's not easy to step outside of your belief system!  They probably think they're doing what God wants them to do.  I take it by your mention of the pope that you're Catholic?  Well, Christianity does some bad things, and I guess you haven't abandoned it yet.  Oppression of gays and women.  Indirectly spreading AIDS by lying to Africans, telling them that condoms increase the chance of AIDS.  Institutional rape of children and cover-up.

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    5 September 2014 in reply to Struggler

    Why I didn't give you a political answer Struggler, I gave you an honest answer.

    But I presume by the repetitive asking of the same question, you are the type of person that will poke an animal with a stick until it bites. And then blame the animal for biting you. Well I am not going to bite, no, I forgive you.

    D'

  19. Struggler
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    5 September 2014 in reply to SubduedBlues

    In other words, you won't give away your house and Jesus teaching doesn't apply in real life.  You have answered the question and thank you.

    Struggler

  20. Chris B
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    8 September 2014 in reply to Guy40s

    Hi everyone,

    This thread is starting to go off track a bit, so I'm locking it to further replies. Debate is good, but let's try and keep it respectful. Arguments on the internet can easily get out of control at the best of times, let alone when you're dealing with depression as well and we can read intentions into people's words that may not be there.

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